Week of July 11

[mutantoverlord]

If you hate modern Marvel comics so much, do something else. There's other publishers and, you know, movies and other stuff that's fun to spend time with. Marvel can do whatever they want with their characters, and you can do the same with your money and time.

this whole event is what you call total bullshit. not even the tie up scenes can make up for that fact. it is pretyt much a god damn repeat of that time where the super heroes took sides and beat each other's asses. except even more stupid.
i swear, comics these days are braindead. it is that they are running out of ideas and deny they are. cause ,realistically, as the good guys are kicking each other in the nuts, the bad guys would be reigning free and basically taking advantage of their ignorant war.

if they truly need better material, why don't they just reboot the entire comic, and i mean in a good way (flips off ultimate marvel), and change the events that happen. perhaps modernize it, like that did x-men evolution. by god, evolution's first set of episodes were much better than this retarded hero war. and marvel knew that their last war was crap, because to actual get an emotional reaction they needed to shock death captain america. and when you are forced into shock genocide, you FAIL.

good job marvel, you shit on the intelligence of your viewers. even dc has never traveled the dark path of a superhero war. when superheroes fight, it should only be because two individuals, or only a few more, have conflicting goals. and they got it right too with superman fake deathing to prove a point of killing people not being the only option and also amoral. and we are talking about someone as powerful as superman here. by all means, he alone could butcher every war criminal, terrorist, and dictator he comes across, yet chooses not to. for he fears himself, fears falling into darkness, and realizes that he must show restraint; one of the few things i like about the overpowered brute of fame.

turnign to marvel, who turns what could be itneresting and engaging character flaws into down right hypocrisy. fucking hypocrisy. they are making all of the drama, all of the conflict, and all of the pain the xmen went through amount to nothing. and spidey making a deal with the devil................
smashes marvel in the gonads with cyclops's thick head.

at least wovlerine is still badass.

not really, they can't. because by now they forgot who originally made the character and do whatever the fuck they want with them, much to our disappointment. marvel has a duty to entertain their readers, much like any other comic and media, and should provide a product that is at least acceptably well thought out and executed, not make a repeat of the hero wars; also they would get more money from that effort. i will say that the build up was good, but the delivery is pissing me off.

[laura silverman]

Cyke doesn't know Emma and Namor are cheating on him either XD

Yes! Cyclops with his all-powerful vision for mutantkind's future doesn't see that his girlfriend and his teammate are cheating on him. That's what's known in the biz as dramatic irony!

[laura silverman]

Whoa whoa whoa, mutantoverlord, I hear your frustration. But if you look at any story long enough, you can find holes in it. I think Marvel sincerely tried to put out the most entertaining story for their readers that they could and whether its a hit or miss is up to the individual reader to decide.

As far as Dr Doom liking cookies, iunno

[mutantoverlord]

Whoa whoa whoa, mutantoverlord, I hear your frustration. But if you look at any story long enough, you can find holes in it. I think Marvel sincerely tried to put out the most entertaining story for their readers that they could and whether its a hit or miss is up to the individual reader to decide.

As far as Dr Doom liking cookies, iunno

the dr doom thing was a joke. lol.

my biggest problem is that this whole event will probably go nowhere. anyone killed is free to ressurrect later, the mutant race is not gonna go extinct here, and will not change the world significantly.
that new avenger chapter is a good sign that they are sitll fialing. an entire chapter of nothing happening, it was all a dream crap by psycho fembot. it is a waste of ink and money and does not evolve the plot. it was just lazy filler. why couldn't they have made the escape god damn real? the whole its a dream thing was not even clever, it was contrived, forced, overly used, and totally out of character for cyclops. sure, he a bit crazy right now, but he does nto go psychologically torturing peoploe.

and we all know it is meaningless because when they are eventually released or rescued, they will not be affected by this........... and they were acting like pussies.

[bunnydelic]

My main problem with AvX is that this series has no "Front Line" or similar side-series to show the impact of Pax Utopia in the larger MU. While focusing on the fighting is nice, I'd like to see more of the world during this storyline, because as it is it doesn't feels as epic as it should, given the scope of it.

Also not enough sexy Phoenix Magik, dammit!

[Suicide]

marvel has a duty to entertain their readers

They don't have a duty to do shit. O_o If you don't like what they're producing don't buy it. If you automatically think they're not putting effort into something just because you don't like the direction then I doubt much at all will satisfy you. Best to just drop the books like I did with the majority of DC's New 52.

[mutantoverlord]

marvel has a duty to entertain their readers

They don't have a duty to do shit. O_o If you don't like what they're producing don't buy it. If you automatically think they're not putting effort into something just because you don't like the direction then I doubt much at all will satisfy you. Best to just drop the books like I did with the majority of DC's New 52.

actually they do. entertainment is their business. but i am not asking for something like harry potter or the lord of the rings movies, just more effort. why doesn't marvel or dc do more? just look at avatar. all the hard work they put into paid off in the end and became a popular franchise that continued that quality, except for the film but i mostly blame the asshole director.

but i am still on the fence. admtiably a lot of what has shown is good, though i feel the reasoning behind it could be better done, and the avengers far less easy to capture; for god's sake, they are the msot powerful beings on the planet, stronger than most mutants even with phoenix force. and that plot in the new avengers was so totally lazy, you cannot deny. also i have a hard time beleiving these heroes, who ahve probably suffered far worse than mind games, would be so affected. not as much as i can beleive xmen would actually mentally torture people.
it has so far not done it yet, but i fear we may be heading to one if not many jump the shark moments here. i pray it ends good or something, but who knows.

if i could come up to one of those writers, look him in the eye, and give my piece of mind, i would probably improve it in one way; the entire war going on is in fact caused by the plans of the entity that stole the mutant powers to begin with. i would make it a demon that was formed from the years and years of fear, hate, violence, and genocide between the mutants and humans. it is literally been a mosnter that had been there for the entire time mutant kind was exposed to present, a creature behind much of the violence. the very face of the conflict that has gone on for decades, through hundreds and hundreds of marvel issues. an entity who is using the war and power it stole to dominate the world and eradicate humans, for the sake of mutants. i would give it reasons to want to rule the world outside of ismple lust and desire. and i would have it all end with a somber feeling, yet with huge openings for new material to work on.
and i would kill off a popular character for real, totally not ressurectable, and i would make that character's end something to be remembered and have enormous significance and be Epic. like supergirl pulverizing the monitor, but by no means futile. not like captain america nor that random mutant guy who died in 425 or 426.

[mutantoverlord]

AND I WOULD NOT IN ANY SENSE ALLOW THE PHRASE 'I'LL KILL YOU! I'LL KILL YOU TO DEATH' TO EVEN TOUCH THE COVER.

[mutantoverlord]

AND IF YOU CAN'T TELL I CAN BE EXTREMELY OVERDRAMATIC.

[Suicide]

not like captain america nor that random mutant guy who died in 425 or 426.

Dammit his name was Angelo!!!
No one gives Skin respect!!


No I agree that I'm tired of Hero vs. Hero stuff from Marvel. I have been for a long time. But I find this story much more entertaining and level headed than Civil War. I get what you're saying about Rogue not stopping Magik from dumping Ms. Marvel into Limbo, but lets be honest. What the hell was she gonna do? Attack a crazy magic using Phoenix Force X-man? More likely she's gonna get Ms Marvel the furk out of there under the radar as the issue covers suggest.

And at least the 5 head X-men have reasons to be behaving out of character. They're possessed with a crazy God Power that WIPES OUT GALAXIES when it feels like it's necessary. It's not just Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Hank Pym doing undeniably evil things like hiring villains to capture Spiderman or CLONING THOR because "times are desperate." There's a real malevolent entity that's driving all these decisions. It's not just characters we love being twisted around for no good reason. This thing turned Jean Grey into the Dark Phoenix. That's a pretty big 180 turn for her character.

[mutantoverlord]

you mean turned into a dark pheonix Again. god, she has turned evil mroe times than ravne has, and she had the excuse of a god like demonic entity that was truely evil manipulating her and being of dmeon ancestry.

my point of view, the pheonix is far, far weaker now. it has divided. sure it is powerful, but not a cosmic being any more. when you rip a power apart, it does not always become five or six whole pieces.

and rogue could have easily done something. a single touch and she could have taken all of magik's powers, and the pheonix force, like the later permanently consider its host seeking nature...... can't remember if she still has the instant death touch still, god there powers change a lot, but even if she does, with all the power flowing through magik, it will likely not be fatal. and the pheonix force would probably start working with her, cause i doubt it, with all its comsic arrogance, wants to remain in divided pieces.

and you can't tell me that something on marvel earth is not powerful enough to defeat the pheonix force x men. get the motherfucking hulk onto he battlefield. perhaps he could nto bring absolute victory, but there would be favorable results, but they couldn't kill him no matter what they try, and imprisoning him is impossible. especialyl if they put him in that illusion capsule; teasing equals pissed off hulk in da house. hulk literalyl defeated a true blooded god in combat, that being thor. these farce gods that the x-men became would only far if they did not get divided. not to mention the creatuer can destroy the msot hard and powerful materials on earth. i mean the only reason he could lose is if they contrive the plot against him. which would be a jump the shark i fear is coming.

[Suicide]

and you can't tell me that something on marvel earth is not powerful enough to defeat the pheonix force x men. get the motherfucking hulk onto he battlefield. perhaps he could nto bring absolute victory, but there would be favorable results, but they couldn't kill him no matter what they try, and imprisoning him is impossible. especialyl if they put him in that illusion capsule; teasing equals pissed off hulk in da house. hulk literalyl defeated a true blooded god in combat, that being thor. these farce gods that the x-men became would only far if they did not get divided. not to mention the creatuer can destroy the msot hard and powerful materials on earth. i mean the only reason he could lose is if they contrive the plot against him. which would be a jump the shark i fear is coming.

Or they could just dump him into limbo and close the door. You don't exactly have to out power the Hulk to get rid of him.
And no I'm not defending the New Avengers issue. I'm not a big hater of dream sequence issues or episodes so long as the episodes serve a purpose. This issue does feel like fake out shock value and serves as an unnecessary venture to hammer it into our heads that what the Phoenix 5 are doing is WRONG. Something that we already knew. Just having the Avengers imprisoned is testament to that. We don't need to fake non-issue to go along with it. Hell the "dream issue" is the reason I told "Brightest Day" to fuck off and I stopped reading.

[mutantoverlord]

the problem is keeping him in there. there are demosn in there, demons he would pulverize until tthey let him out. dmeons that would threaten her if she ever did it again; so probably delay him for about four minutes.
and that is only if he doesn't take out magik to begin with. don't underestimate the hulk, because i am sure they already tried to put him into another dimension already, long ago, and close the door; did not work very well. nothing can imprison him for long, let alone indefinitely, not even alternate dimensions.
then again it would probably end up fatal to the pheonix five if he was unleashed. the battle would not end until they were a pile of broken bodies in a decimated landscape, and bloodied but victorious hulk roaring into the sky.

in the end, the crazed xmen can and iwll be stopped. and someone fucking take care of the pheonix force already. put it somewhere where it can never escape.........

.........alternate plan. someone contact the enityt, Hel. tell her that she could get a soul like no other; the very soul of the pheonix. have he trap them in asgard, so thor can take care of them pheonix force and Hel can claim the pheonix, entrapping the being in her realm, hwere it will be helpless and trapped forever.
that could be a realistic solution. hel is a greedy entity of death. what could be more glorious an addition, except for her much desired thor, than the pheonix itself? and what will the pheonix do when it faces such a being, disembodied, trapped in her realm? and totally out of her element.

i know both sides are oding wrong things, but the x-men are in the wrong. they are using the pheonix force the wrong way.

[Suicide]

i know both sides are oding wrong things, but the x-men are in the wrong. they are using the pheonix force the wrong way.

No no that's not what I'm saying. It's CLEAR to anyone that what the X-men are doing is wrong. I'm saying there's a good reason for them to behave this way cuz they have crazy cosmic entities chiming in their heads. Also don't give me that God Mode Hulk crap. If THE PHOENIX FORCE, a being that wipes out galaxies in seconds, wants to get rid of the Hulk, it very well can.

Anyhoo this has gotten way off topic. Let's continue via PM or you can get me at any of my IM's. This should be for scans or we cna open an discussion in the General area.

[mutantoverlord]

i am just going on hulk's track record here. punches cosmic beings silly, escapes dimensions, regenerates from disintegration, survives nuclear explosions..... also the pheonix force is not That powerful. it killed an entire solar system, yes, but by absorbing a sun's life force. it also can absorb life, but energy absorbtion will only effect hulk if he is not serious, as he generates nearly limitless amounts of energy through his anger. not to mention the being was injured and weakened by the ray ironman used on her ass. you don't get torn into five pieces and those pieces retaining a full fifth of your power.
so more along the lines of galactus, a powerful monstrosity but also an example of even a cosmic, god like being fialing to kill the hulk. and galactus did not have to worry about accidentally frying himself with his own poweres. aside for colosus, none of them could possibly handle a blow from hulk.