Megan Fox to Play April O'Neil in Bay's TMNT

[mutantoverlord]

forget it, forget it. there is no hope talkign to either of you. its the same argument i hear from twihards, that the amount of moeny they make gives the director or creator the freedom to produce shlock and that any amount of critcism means nothign in the end.
his success comes from going for the lowest denominator and nothing more. he is far from the first person to do that, and he is far from the most successful person either.

and for what i have accomplished. i have the good fortune of being able to defend what i like with facts otuside of monotary gain. and in comparison to bay, i am not hated by the lovers of transformers and tmnt fans both casual and die hard, i do not have a history cirtically despised movies which do not make much moeny after the leave theaters, and i will never be associated with giving a transformer testicles.
oh, and i won't be accused of being a biased, racist, sexist pig. while i do not personalyl believe bay is like that, he still has that stigma on him, along with all those others.

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forget it, forget it. there is no hope talkign to either of you.

I guess we just couldn't keep up with your deep thought process?? O_o Yeah whatever dude. You're way too high end of thought for me. whew... Yeah those were just top tier intellectual arguments like "HE PUTS ROBOT BALLS IN MOVIES RARGH!" I'll just lay it down right now cuz man... can't keep up. I concede.

ts the same argument i hear from twihards, that the amount of moeny they make gives the director or creator the freedom to produce shlock and that any amount of critcism means nothign in the end.

Umm. Yeah. That's kinda my point from the beginning. Clearly you didn't understand that. Just because you hate him doesn't mean he's not successful and will be forgotten forever because you have a hard-on to hate the guy. Your thought process is SO BASED on how much more "intelligent" than you are than other people, I have no idea why I just defended you... Seriously.

[mutantoverlord]

forget it, forget it. there is no hope talkign to either of you.

I guess we just couldn't keep up with your deep thought process?? O_o Yeah whatever dude. You're way too high end of thought for me. whew... Yeah those were just top tier intellectual arguments like "HE PUTS ROBOT BALLS IN MOVIES RARGH!" I'll just lay it down right now cuz man... can't keep up. I concede.

ts the same argument i hear from twihards, that the amount of moeny they make gives the director or creator the freedom to produce shlock and that any amount of critcism means nothign in the end.

Umm. Yeah. That's kinda my point from the beginning. Clearly you didn't understand that. Just because you hate him doesn't mean he's not successful and will be forgotten forever because you have a hard-on to hate the guy. Your thought process is SO BASED on how much more "intelligent" than you are than other people, I have no idea why I just defended you... Seriously.

yet despite all that moeny, ninety percent of people i ask both online and off say both of them are shit. and i am talking about other people who pick it apart with intelligence.
no one wants to emulate either of these people, no one with any ambition at least.

hell, here is something i jsut realized. how is it that bay ifnluenced the transformers series, when it was almsot certainly the transfomrers ip itself that designed the robots and images show in the movies? those designs oculd have just been kept till transformers prime and there would have been n odifference. well it might have been more well received it the scrapa aesthetic was not related to the god damned sequels?

and no one is clamoring for the copyright to have their own vamprie sparkle either.

am i in denial? i thought that myself till i saw the third movie of transformers. no, i jsut know that there is no intelligent reason why people would even like the movies after the first oen. i have picked apart both movies to the core, and i cannot find what a so called 'normal' person would see in them. i mean, the second movie had a veyr forced ball sakc joke, and the damn thing caused a plot hole.
the man prides himself, apparently, with vulgarity in his action movies, yet he could not set up the move so that the damn robot could have a full ballsack. all it would take would ahve been a second component that had a wrecking ball, but nope, only one of them.
so bay even sucks at what he claims he is good at. going for the lowest denominator, and he cannot even do that right.

its kind hard to michael bay to Win when winning would intel he could actually compete to begin with. why od people watch his movies? my prefered conclusion si that they are idiots, but that would be too rude to think. ti is probably because the industry does not Try to give them soemthing better than that mosto f the time. i am pretty sure if they are given the choice of an avengers equivalent movie and the next michael bay movie, they would go for the avengers level entertainment.


i know twihards are idiots for sure. when you accept the logic of a woman hwo thinks that the fact the only way the werewolves can apparrently harm a vampire is by biting them, and as anyone who has a normal or even autistic brain like mind can realize is that dogs and wolves BITE more than anything else, is actually a weakness, then you are pretty much drinkign the kool aid far as i am concerned. idiots that give her moeny and produce a total illusion fo success.

[mutantoverlord]

and itnelligence is lreative. you think me an idiot for thinking money really is not equivalent to success, and i simply tink that your strength is in drawing rather than trying to formulate the plot for a story. don't think you are an idiot for thinking that moeny is the sign for success, just think that it is a somewhat scewed point of view. though i am still extremely insulted that you dismiss All evidencei have provided by the factor of the dolla. which in the end, does nto really matter cause it won't save ya from the comign years.

thsi covnersation is over. you say what you say, i say what i say. neither of us will convince the other of anythign at this point. we can't even reach a middle ground.

[AH-64D Longbow]

It's a movie about a cartoon most of us watched as kids. Does it really require this?

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It's a movie about a cartoon most of us watched as kids. Does it really require this?

I AM ABOVE ZEE LAW!!

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though i am still extremely insulted that you dismiss All evidencei have provided by the factor of the dolla.

Evidence of what? That you hate the movie? You've provided nothing but exposition of why these movies pissed you off and thus that makes him unsuccessful as a director. Congrats. That logic has won you the argument in lieu of my head exploding.

[mutantoverlord]

exposition? if i was delivering eposition i would be telliing my personal reasons about hating him, or be tellign a story of how i grew to hate bay. what i provided was the Evidence. a list of the many flaws in his transformers movies, ranging from how poorly coregraphed the fight scenes are to the enormous plot holes that appear even in the most simple of moments in the movie.

normally the poor transitions and plot holes are considered Flaws in any form of story telling, whether a comics, tv shows, animation, live action, and the written word. having you plot go forward with as few hiccups is one of the simplest god damned rules of storytelling, which a movie is supposed to be doing. telling a story. minor plot holes and continuity errors can be forgiven in movie making.
but when we have a triple wammy of there being a smipler solution to reviving prime in the second movie, the finale having prime overpowering another prime who was so powerufl and skileld, supposedly, he killed of most of theri kind by himself, and in the third move itself we have prime somehow defeating megatron, despite megatron having not fought in the entire finale and thus is unwounded, while missing his arm and with megatron jsut fucking standing there as his enemy charged forward with an axe while He had a GUN, we have an extreme failure here.

and, believe it or not, the plot DOES matter. it is what make people remember the movies. and that is why bay will fade into obscurity eventually. just needs to have one movie that totally BOMBS more by reviewr and by viewer, and he is done.

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I really don't think you're getting what I'm saying so I'll stop. At no point have I argued against the importance of plot in a movie. So I really don't see where that's coming from.