Megan Fox to Play April O'Neil in Bay's TMNT

[Suichiro]

The rampant fanboyism at work here is startling. You seriously just can't think about things with a clear head. Bay is good at what he does. He makes movies that a LOT of people enjoy, he makes a ton of money for the studios, he's efficient with his movie budgets, and he's not above doing popcorn flicks. Just because you don't like his movies, doesn't mean that his efforts are worthless. That's just being purposefully spiteful and ignorant. It would be a lot different if he thought he was some genius who touted his masterpieces as Oscar worthy contenders, but he doesn't. He knows his place and he's good at it.

I don't like Walmart either, but to say they're a failed business because their morals are non-existant, that's just stupid. They're sure as hell doing something right and you have to accept it. Our tiny little geek community is NOT reflective of the entire world. To believe so is just delusion.

[rider28031]

The rampant fanboyism at work here is startling. You seriously just can't think about things with a clear head. Bay is good at what he does. He makes movies that a LOT of people enjoy, he makes a ton of money for the studios, he's efficient with his movie budgets, and he's not above doing popcorn flicks. Just because you don't like his movies, doesn't mean that his efforts are worthless. That's just being purposefully spiteful and ignorant. It would be a lot different if he thought he was some genius who touted his masterpieces as Oscar worthy contenders, but he doesn't. He knows his place and he's good at it.

I don't like Walmart either, but to say they're a failed business because their morals are non-existant, that's just stupid. They're sure as hell doing something right and you have to accept it. Our tiny little geek community is NOT reflective of the entire world. To believe so is just delusion.

Suichiro makes a damn good point about this. I personally don't like the Transformers movies BUT I don't hate Michael Bay. Why? The man knows exactly what the hell he's making: stupid popcorn action movies. Bad Boys I and II, The Rock, and even the first Transformers film are guilty pleasures of mine. Plus, when you get right down to it, he was PERFECT for Transformers.

Transformers is stupid as hell when you think about it. It's your basic rock-em sock-em robots on steroids; no one is expecting fine art and Bay knows it. However, my only problem with the whole situation with TMNT is the idea of Megan Fox in the cast. I'm not expecting an Oscar-worthy performance from anyone in that movie, but I at least want someone who's trying to act. Fox can not act to save her life. It also amazes me how she's even involved in the first place; wasn't there a "calling Bay 'Hitler'" thing that screwed her chances in money-making films?

[mutantoverlord]

The rampant fanboyism at work here is startling. You seriously just can't think about things with a clear head. Bay is good at what he does. He makes movies that a LOT of people enjoy, he makes a ton of money for the studios, he's efficient with his movie budgets, and he's not above doing popcorn flicks. Just because you don't like his movies, doesn't mean that his efforts are worthless. That's just being purposefully spiteful and ignorant. It would be a lot different if he thought he was some genius who touted his masterpieces as Oscar worthy contenders, but he doesn't. He knows his place and he's good at it.

I don't like Walmart either, but to say they're a failed business because their morals are non-existant, that's just stupid. They're sure as hell doing something right and you have to accept it. Our tiny little geek community is NOT reflective of the entire world. To believe so is just delusion.

Suichiro makes a damn good point about this. I personally don't like the Transformers movies BUT I don't hate Michael Bay. Why? The man knows exactly what the hell he's making: stupid popcorn action movies. Bad Boys I and II, The Rock, and even the first Transformers film are guilty pleasures of mine. Plus, when you get right down to it, he was PERFECT for Transformers.

Transformers is stupid as hell when you think about it. It's your basic rock-em sock-em robots on steroids; no one is expecting fine art and Bay knows it. However, my only problem with the whole situation with TMNT is the idea of Megan Fox in the cast. I'm not expecting an Oscar-worthy performance from anyone in that movie, but I at least want someone who's trying to act. Fox can not act to save her life. It also amazes me how she's even involved in the first place; wasn't there a "calling Bay 'Hitler'" thing that screwed her chances in money-making films?

if he was making his own movies i would not complain. but he is using a beloved license and showing it absolutely no respect. and while i will admit, at first glance that is what transformers is; a bunch of robot fights. but now look at what transformers has become. a story of an ancient, tragic war of creatures of living metal who have their own minds, perhaps even souls, destroying one another for very different goals. and it holds many, many parallels to human war itself as the license has evolved.
THAT is why people love transformers. because it started out as just a bunch of robots punching each other and has evolved beyond that.
bay....... bay does not even try to represent theo ld days of robots hitting each other in the movies. respect for the real should come before the respect of the fictional, but fiction does still deserve some respect.
it is beyond his movies being mindless action. its jsut that he is a stupid director and a stupid man. why suddenly make a bunch of robots fight? cause it is badass. why give a robot a penus rifle or metal testicles? did anyone want to see a big robot ball sack in the middle of an action scene? did anyone find that humorous? nope, it was totally tasteless and exceedingly distracting.

[mutantoverlord]

The rampant fanboyism at work here is startling. You seriously just can't think about things with a clear head. Bay is good at what he does. He makes movies that a LOT of people enjoy, he makes a ton of money for the studios, he's efficient with his movie budgets, and he's not above doing popcorn flicks. Just because you don't like his movies, doesn't mean that his efforts are worthless. That's just being purposefully spiteful and ignorant. It would be a lot different if he thought he was some genius who touted his masterpieces as Oscar worthy contenders, but he doesn't. He knows his place and he's good at it.

I don't like Walmart either, but to say they're a failed business because their morals are non-existant, that's just stupid. They're sure as hell doing something right and you have to accept it. Our tiny little geek community is NOT reflective of the entire world. To believe so is just delusion.

that is the problem there though.... he isn't good at it. not at all.
respect of the real should always come before the respect to the fiction, but fiction still needs to be respected. especialyl fiction made by others. if bay wants to make an over action filled, sex filled, ballz showing movie, then i would let him. the problem is that it will piss people off beyond the norms of sane reaction if he is doing this with characters that actually have their own persona.
for being so good with making action movies, he did not does not even set up a final battle in any sensible way. literally the finale of the two transformers films he had full reign over, as he did not have so much control in the first one, ended adruptly and usatisfyingly. prime inexplicably killed off an enemy that butchered five or so other primes single handedly by merging with a far weaker than a prime transformer, and did in a few seconds...... the third movie he killed megatron despite the fact megatron was totally uninjured, had a gun, and prime was missing his arm, and they had all of that fight end in less than a minute with megatron's head being ripped off. and this is the same being that fought him to a stand still in the first movie.

......no, michael bay is not good at what he does. he is incapable of coming up with a conclusion more than a few seconds long and that is not contrived out the ass. while i do admit he can come up with some energized action scenes, his movies fall flatter than steven segulle attempting to do a drop kick in his current state.
the only reason he is successful is because the number of people who are willing to shut off their brains, and are also not even partially fans of transformers or these franchises and ips, are higher than the people who will ignore him and actaulyl do like these franchises. when it comes to creating action scenes and showing tits and vulgar displays, he is good. when ti comes to actual movie making, he sucks. probably as bad as Shamelon.

and i do not look at this through the eyes of a fanboy. i look at this through the eyes of a normal viewer. and the amount of inconsistencies and idiocies i see is revolting. there is no reason to put a ball sack on a robot, nor give a blender bot a penus gun. there is no way prime could jsut suddenly kill the fallen when the fallen himself is the reason wehre there are almost no primes left, having killed most of them personally. and there is no way that a fully healthy, woundless megatron could be killed by a mutilated and barely standing optimus by merit of Common Fucking Sense.
and yes, just because something is fictional or robots or something, does not mean it should go against common sense. unless it is designed to do so, like One Piece. and when i can honestly say that a show that, at one point, had a jailbreak from a city sized underwater prison that made hell look like a tropical resort, a jailbreak that has ta rubber man, a karate master fish person, a sand psycho, and a superhuman transvetite drag queen with a giant head who could manipualte the chemicals of the body to such a degree he can turn a ten foot tall hulking man into a sexy women in less than two minutes, is more coherent than the finales of these movies, then something is fucked.

Bay's ability to create..... well i will admit that its not like that he lacks the ability to do so, but it is very limited. he feels less like a director of film and more like a porn director. still, i will admit that he is better the shamalon, who while as still abhorrently disrespectful to the ideas of others, cannot even make anything of itnerest of even the basic, msot reptilian part of the brain liek bay can..... and he is better than segulle too, then again these two are bottom of the fish barrel to begin with.

just becuase on makes a lot of money at once does not mean it is a success. true, bay pulls in millions, even billions, of dollars with his movies, but what happens when they are no longer in theaters? what happens tne years from now? comapred to star wars, or even star trek, what bay creates drowns in its own mediocrity in time, while they remain alive. and this longevity of these series means that the creators of it get a far more steady revenue than a block buster hit like a bay movie. thus they are far greater success because they actually leave a mark on society.
the biggest difference even sitll is that even the star wars prequels, which are panned by most fans, i can defend by saying there is actually Essence and thought put into them. i can see where Lucas was comign from and itnending to do even in the worse scenes of the movies, and can appreciate them for that. i can even defend jar jar binks for god sake, cause i can see what he was put there for; placed as an organic character who is not capable of fighting and thus is a fish out or water, or in that case an amphibian out of the swamp.
the most bay has influenced with transformers is the idea of physically integrated weapons for the transformers, which is clever..... though if i am not wrong, HE wasn't the one thought of the idea to begin with.

[Suicide]

The amount arrogance here is kind of astonishing. So the only reason he makes millions with his movies is because the people who go see them are brainless? Maybe they just happen to like something you don't like? If you want to defend all the timeless classics like Star Wars I can sit here and nit-pick nonsense out of them too.

And if you wanna talk about legacy, the Bay Movies have already started cementing into regular Transformers lore. Transformers Prime has already showcased those changes with Optimus and Bumble Bee's updated looks and Bee's inability to speak. As well as RC being a motorcycle. In Transformers Animated the All Spark was a McGuffin like power cube (much like the Bay Movies) rather than the abstract Transformer Afterlife. These movies have influenced the franchise and will most likely continue to do so.

[mutantoverlord]

The amount arrogance here is kind of astonishing. So the only reason he makes millions with his movies is because the people who go see them are brainless? Maybe they just happen to like something you don't like? If you want to defend all the timeless classics like Star Wars I can sit here and nit-pick nonsense out of them too.

And if you wanna talk about legacy, the Bay Movies have already started cementing into regular Transformers lore. Transformers Prime has already showcased those changes with Optimus and Bumble Bee's updated looks and Bee's inability to speak. As well as RC being a motorcycle. In Transformers Animated the All Spark was a McGuffin like power cube (much like the Bay Movies) rather than the abstract Transformer Afterlife. These movies have influenced the franchise and will most likely continue to do so.

.....motherfucker, all that shit i typed didn't go through!!!! damn it.

let me shorten what i was origianlyl going to say up... i went way to far insulting people, and will own up to that. i have a few guilty pleasures of my own, albeit only a tiny handful and they are not horrendous movies. transfomers, the first movie, i defend because everything, except the damn human scenes, felt right with the characters, and by all means the fight scenes of the first movie far surpass even the most bombastic moments of the sequels of it.
Bay, however, i find insulting in existence cause while he really does not work on the ideas of plot development or characterization, i care deeply for it because i plan on becomign a creative type myself. i know what the people do like about the movies; action, creative designs, and so on. only the real drool monkies enjoy the tits, idioticalyl vulgar moments, and racism, which is probably only a few people fortunately. but a bay movie lacks the true meat of a story ultiamtely.
thirdly, i would be the first one to criticize the bad parts of star wars, especially the prequels. but in the end, the ending of the third prequel could easily be made a hundred times better if you replace the dramatic NOOO from vader with a feral, agonized scream of loss. to fix the death of megatron in the third film, you would ahve to redo the entire third act.
lucas simply tried to do new things, and jsut some of them did not pan out right. he was taking risks, bay jsut does shit whether or not it makes sense or not.

andi repeat...... i went too far insulting people. i just get frustrated taht we can have high actoin movies that still have plot and characters to them. we had spiderman movies which pretty much combined these features pretty well, despite how flawed they were. but bay gets a free ticket.

...now i get what the Nostalgia Critic meant with a revew he did recently. Bay is less like a real director and more of a porn director. Caring not about plot and only about the visuals.

[mutantoverlord]

to cement my point, i wll admit to liking avatar for the visuals. but unlike bay, the visuals are not wasted on nothing but action scenes but creating incredibly unique environments and beautifully designed creatures. for its plot shortfalls, it makes up with how Alive the world created feel.s i could look at the design of the wyvern like mounts they have for hours, and marvel at the extreme creativity of having a bioeletrical network that liked their entire world.
and bay gave a robot testicles.

[Suicide]

You seem to take my rebuttal as a need for you to like Bays movies. My main problem with your entire argument (and most of your arguments in general) is you always seem to state your opinions as facts. It's like wrestling fans that are bored by John Cena. They say shit like "Cena can't wrestle" and "Cena doesn't know the business." It's asinine. Saying you don't like the movies or Bay is one thing. Saying he's unsuccessful, unable to make a movie, and will have no impact in movie making history is just juvenile. And its that part of it that makes you sound like a Fanboy.

[patrickxtrem]

Here's my two cents: I don't like Megan Fox playing April. Judith Hoage and Paige Tirco did her right in the original films. In the original comics she was a lab assistant to Baxter Stockman, and that was fine how the 2003 version of the cartoon did her. I don't think Bay should do this TMNT film, remember TMNT 3? If anyone can to the Turtles right, it could be John Woo or any action director who could get TMNT right.

[mutantoverlord]

You seem to take my rebuttal as a need for you to like Bays movies. My main problem with your entire argument (and most of your arguments in general) is you always seem to state your opinions as facts. It's like wrestling fans that are bored by John Cena. They say shit like "Cena can't wrestle" and "Cena doesn't know the business." It's asinine. Saying you don't like the movies or Bay is one thing. Saying he's unsuccessful, unable to make a movie, and will have no impact in movie making history is just juvenile. And its that part of it that makes you sound like a Fanboy.

a fanboy would be complaining mostly about personal factors. that optimus is far too homicidal for the benevolent leaer of the autobots, and megatron becomes equivalently more pussified at that. which i avoid because that is jsut a waste of time.
i go beyond what i personally think is important and go into what i can give evidence for. an opinion is a statement whether or not there is evidence to it or even if it is true. a fact is something that has evidence for it that shows it as true and thus can either contribute to or disprove an opinion.

is bay really influential, is the newest transformers series influenced BY the movies? well, it seemed that the animated transformers All Spark was specificalyl designed to look NOTHING like the cube, and nothing of the plot or even ideas beyond the physical aesthetics and designs of the transformers and items of the movies are lifted. hell, even the factor of bumblebee beign mute and talking through the radio is replaced by him being unable to make any sound outside of beeping, which removes all comedic aspects of him being a mute.
it seems less the movies have influenced transformers than the Designs of the transformers in the movie. the plots and aspects of the movies are totally ignored and people focus on the aesthetics of the transformers or certain ideas. the evidence in the lack of mimicking the personalities and mannerisms of the characters in the movies, nor their plots, in the animated series so far shown acts as my evidence of this claim.
if we think about aesthetics alone being what transfers over the actual movie itself, whether or not the actual content of the movie being influential is in doubt. Do we have an extra homicidal optimus running about? a pussified Megatron? Does bulkhead, who could be considered to be shaped like a sumo wrestler, have a japanese accent? And does ARcee have weels for legs?

Basically only what Works in the aesthetics of the characters can be taken from the movies and nothing else. at least that is what the evidence shows.

analyzing this outside the fanboy bias it is still totally flawed, and jsut becomes more and more flawed the more one analyzes. is there anything good in the michael bay transformers films? most of what i could personalyl say is positive comes from the first movie. however there is far more evidence against bay actual theatrical showings actually influencing it than saying it is. too much of the film content is ignored.

[Suicide]

I don't see how you can claim that paragraph was OUTSIDE a fanboy perspective, but okay. Anybody and their dog can see the movie influences. Even Peter Cullen adopted his more mellow and phylosophical tone when doing optimus' voice. He even says that in an interview about playing him in the new cartoon. Bay has influenced the lore. Get over yourself and the nit-pickery. Just because they don't match the movies entirely and because you don't like them doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[mutantoverlord]

I don't see how you can claim that paragraph was OUTSIDE a fanboy perspective, but okay. Anybody and their dog can see the movie influences. Even Peter Cullen adopted his more mellow and phylosophical tone when doing optimus' voice. He even says that in an interview about playing him in the new cartoon. Bay has influenced the lore. Get over yourself and the nit-pickery. Just because they don't match the movies entirely and because you don't like them doesn't mean it didn't happen.

you do remember that optimus only had a mellow and philosophical voice and acting in the first movie, right? the rest of the movies pretty much either had him yelling at humans, attempting to persuade a vulnerable human to help them despite the fact said human had no viable skills, or had the phisophical argument seem to be utter excuses.
think of it this way. while the first movie was influential, i will not deny because it was not a Bad movie, what influence has the other movies had? is the megatron of Prime a tank of a aircraft?
the only thing that seemed to have passed over is a Couple of the aesthetics to shockwave's gun arm, and sockwave alrady had a gun for an arm long before this series.

a fanboy, as i said, would be focusing on incosistency of the behavior or factors of the movies that are not like the norm of transformers series before.

i am focusing on the nearly none existant plot, the poorly executed scenes and characters, and the fact thre are plot holes you could drive devestator's fuckign robotic Ballsack into without trouble.

if bay truly did have any level of influence on the transformers mythos, beyond the series simply buying the artbook and using it as a reference, it is that other people took waht bay did and made it Better. what few ideas he had were executed Better than he did. and i fail to see any influence to the mythos of transformers outside of the first movie, which as i have said bay had help with writing the script.
i ahve provided the evidence. the transformers movie where bay had full control on the script snowballed. we went from a navy seal level of skill for optimus to serial killer optimus, imposing and strong villain in megatron to the servital megatron who follows the lead of others, like how Star Scream is supposed to, and we have plot holes so massive they should not be accepted.
remember the scene where they were bringing optimus' body to the autobots after his death? jsut a few feet away, that bitch Megan Fox had a shard of the all spark with her..... and never thought about having it used to revive the autobot. not, it never crossed her mind in the slightest.
not to mention the, arguably, even more massive plot hole of the fact the very reason why they dumped megatron's body into the sea was because the dark sea floor would be far, far too cold for the decepticons to go down and recover it.
and the unneccessary murder ofg that decepticon for parts, when megatron had been dumpedi nto the sea with the remains of all the Other decepticons taht died during the battle for the all spark. i could look over the fact that his spark chamber had been turned into slag, but now them decepticons suddenly murdering one of their own when there were already parts all around them.
and devestator had a ball sack. and only one of the decepticons who made him up had a wrecking ball.

rubs eyes. excuse me, but i thought a movie is supposed to tell a story. does nto have to be a perfect story, but a story still.

is making a lot of money with mindless popcorn movies really anythign to write home about in the end? is there an actual fanbase for mcihael bay movies aside for the unbiased masses? how is bay going ot be remembered as when he burns out?
when you name will likely be brought up in a conversation by referencing not having a badass noble wizard in it, nor a superhuman old gremlin, nor even a two headed elvis impersonator dragon, but having a robot with testicles in one of your movies, what have you actually accomplished in the end?

[Suichiro]

when you name will likely be brought up in a conversation by referencing not having a badass noble wizard in it, nor a superhuman old gremlin, nor even a two headed elvis impersonator dragon, but having a robot with testicles in one of your movies, what have you actually accomplished in the end?

A long carrier of hit movies, millions of dollars, incredible success, and market saturation for an entire generation of moviegoers.

What did you accomplish?

[Nezz]

Is ad hominem really necessary?

[Suicide]

What did you accomplish?

Suichiro, let's step away from personal attacks please. It's uncalled for. Let's not have retaliatory snarks and jabs here at one another's personal affairs. He's just knockin' a big league director, it's nothing to get stabby over.

a fanboy, as i said, would be focusing on incosistency of the behavior or factors of the movies that are not like the norm of transformers series before.

This is my problem with your argument. You say things that a Fanboy would do and how you're not doing that. Then launch in to a spiel where you DO EXACTLY THAT. You've done it TWICE. How can you say you're not looking through fan flavored goggles when you're clearly DOING IT. And any other ones you have are just nit-pickery. Things I can do with any Star Wars (NOT JUST THE PREQUELS) or Star Trek or Terminator or whatever movie all day.

is making a lot of money with mindless popcorn movies really anythign to write home about in the end? is there an actual fanbase for mcihael bay movies aside for the unbiased masses? how is bay going ot be remembered as when he burns out?
when you name will likely be brought up in a conversation by referencing not having a badass noble wizard in it, nor a superhuman old gremlin, nor even a two headed elvis impersonator dragon, but having a robot with testicles in one of your movies, what have you actually accomplished in the end?

Yeah it probably is something to say you've made one of the highest grossing movies of all time. I'd say that's a big fucking deal. And most people who don't have a hard on to hate the guy will likely see past any dislike they have for the movies to realize he did accomplish something.

Again he has influenced the Transformers lore (weather you want to acknowledge it or not is inconsequential). I would be surprised if any recent incarnation of Bumble Bee didn't speak in his BoopBop tones. It's essentially part of his character now. He'll also be remembered for other movies. The Bad Boys series being a favorite of high action crime series and The Rock being probably his most well-liked film. Hell, even Armageddon grossed enough to spawn and ENTIRE GENRE of disaster movies afterward. Probably not the most wonderful contribution to movie making but it was influential none-the-less.

My point is no one is going to forget Micheal Bay or make him a pariah no matter how bad you want that to happen.